Comments on: Clannad TV Explained: A Foolproof Plan to Happiness http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/ Animanga × Real Life Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:26:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Toblerone http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-3246 Toblerone Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:26:15 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-3246 I had a thought. It occurred to me that technology doesn't feature heavily in Clannad. It gives it a different feel from other school set animes as the students usually text or have computers. This led me to the idea that Clannad could be set before the new millennium, in the 80s or early 90s. The only technology that comes to mind is Tomoya's watch (I think it's digital). The anime carries a nostalgic feel and this has led me to this conclusion. I had a thought. It occurred to me that technology doesn’t feature heavily in Clannad. It gives it a different feel from other school set animes as the students usually text or have computers. This led me to the idea that Clannad could be set before the new millennium, in the 80s or early 90s. The only technology that comes to mind is Tomoya’s watch (I think it’s digital). The anime carries a nostalgic feel and this has led me to this conclusion.

]]> By: tai http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-3184 tai Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:09:43 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-3184 Thanks for all the comments and replies, I'd just like you all to know that I'm still here and still managing this blog, although there hasn't been any content update for a (long) while. I'm still not through the game yet (i think it's uninstalled now too) but when I am I plan to take another look at this article and how the TV version differs from the game and the movie and how your own opinions and questions can be factored in. Seeing all your feedback and opinion is really motivating me to keep at this blog, hopefully I can find something I can enjoy and examine as closely as I did with Clannad. I'm glad you all enjoyed it at least as much as I did! Thanks for all the comments and replies, I’d just like you all to know that I’m still here and still managing this blog, although there hasn’t been any content update for a (long) while. I’m still not through the game yet (i think it’s uninstalled now too) but when I am I plan to take another look at this article and how the TV version differs from the game and the movie and how your own opinions and questions can be factored in.

Seeing all your feedback and opinion is really motivating me to keep at this blog, hopefully I can find something I can enjoy and examine as closely as I did with Clannad. I’m glad you all enjoyed it at least as much as I did!

]]> By: Haze http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-3167 Haze Mon, 07 Jun 2010 07:48:20 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-3167 THANK YOU! I've been searching for the true explanation in months!!! and here you give me the EXACT reasons with proof!! > v < Yay you! THANK YOU! I’ve been searching for the true explanation in months!!! and here you give me the EXACT reasons with proof!! > v < Yay you!

]]> By: Tom .S. http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-3121 Tom .S. Thu, 27 May 2010 16:42:03 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-3121 I've been wondering how to put all the elements together for ages now, I finished the series about a week back and re-watched it and still couldn't figure out how everything worked. It really made my head hurt haha! But after reading your analysis of it it really does make sense. A question if I may though, when Tomoya gets sent back to the hill after being in the illusionary world, how does Nagisa know everything? Ushio sends Tomoya back from the illusionary world but she doesn't send Nagisa back? Does that have anything to do with their memories or do you think they just have their memories anyway? Thanks for making all this clearer for me anyways =) I’ve been wondering how to put all the elements together for ages now, I finished the series about a week back and re-watched it and still couldn’t figure out how everything worked. It really made my head hurt haha!

But after reading your analysis of it it really does make sense. A question if I may though, when Tomoya gets sent back to the hill after being in the illusionary world, how does Nagisa know everything? Ushio sends Tomoya back from the illusionary world but she doesn’t send Nagisa back? Does that have anything to do with their memories or do you think they just have their memories anyway?

Thanks for making all this clearer for me anyways =)

]]> By: Toblerone http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-2994 Toblerone Mon, 03 May 2010 09:54:06 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-2994 Also, I think Fuko's ending line is absolutely brilliant. It links to the whole message of the importance of family and friendship. All this misery has been caused in Tomoya's life, and now he finally has everything he ever wanted. It's a message to the viewers. The anime is now over and done with, and the viewer can now take away a message and go live their own lives - 'This is where the fun begins'. Also, I think Fuko’s ending line is absolutely brilliant. It links to the whole message of the importance of family and friendship. All this misery has been caused in Tomoya’s life, and now he finally has everything he ever wanted. It’s a message to the viewers. The anime is now over and done with, and the viewer can now take away a message and go live their own lives – ‘This is where the fun begins’.

]]> By: Toblerone http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-2993 Toblerone Mon, 03 May 2010 00:22:26 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-2993 Very good interpretation. However, I think the city also plays a large role. The idea that industrialization destroys Nature, and in doing so, sickens the world. The ever expanding city is made miserable, and this is reflected in Tomoya's opening lines - 'I hate this city'. He is stuck in this place that is getting sicker and sicker, and it is only when he journeys to the countryside that he realises who he is and how he should raise Ushio. It is also when he returns that Ushio's link becomes stronger and while she desires to leave, the city kills her before she can try. The idea is that Nature is vengeful, and the city is taking the lives of Nagisa and Ushio as payback for the greed of the humans. Very good interpretation. However, I think the city also plays a large role. The idea that industrialization destroys Nature, and in doing so, sickens the world. The ever expanding city is made miserable, and this is reflected in Tomoya’s opening lines – ‘I hate this city’. He is stuck in this place that is getting sicker and sicker, and it is only when he journeys to the countryside that he realises who he is and how he should raise Ushio. It is also when he returns that Ushio’s link becomes stronger and while she desires to leave, the city kills her before she can try. The idea is that Nature is vengeful, and the city is taking the lives of Nagisa and Ushio as payback for the greed of the humans.

]]> By: Matt http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-2945 Matt Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:22:14 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-2945 I'd have to say that you did quite a good job of explaining everything.. But I have to disagree with some things right there though.. Your side provides much evidence and proof of how things happened in Clannad.. But I'd say that the timeline is a bit off.. A proof of this would be that Tomoya had already heard the story of a girl in a world that had ended.. And so had Nagisa.. That was before the play.. What my view would be is that both the Imaginary World and the Real World was happening simultaneously at the same time.. Tomoya's dreams would be of the Imaginary world.. But when he wakes up, he barely remembers a thing about what really happens but just bits and pieces.. The pieces of junk of Tomoya's body in the Imaginary World would be Tomoya's doubt and childish-like worries of "What if".. And in the end, when his body was broken, the doubt vanished and he awoke from it and continued on chasing after Nagisa.. Another of my view on this would be the fact that Nagisa was the sheep.. When Tomoya drifted off away from what he was supposed to do, Nagisa brought him back to the right path.. Well.. We all have our opinions on how and what happens in Clannad.. :) My very short summary would be of that I have just said.. Thanks for the great explanation though :) I’d have to say that you did quite a good job of explaining everything..
But I have to disagree with some things right there though..
Your side provides much evidence and proof of how things happened in Clannad..

But I’d say that the timeline is a bit off..
A proof of this would be that Tomoya had already heard the story of a girl in a world that had ended.. And so had Nagisa.. That was before the play..

What my view would be is that both the Imaginary World and the Real World was happening simultaneously at the same time..
Tomoya’s dreams would be of the Imaginary world.. But when he wakes up, he barely remembers a thing about what really happens but just bits and pieces..

The pieces of junk of Tomoya’s body in the Imaginary World would be Tomoya’s doubt and childish-like worries of “What if”.. And in the end, when his body was broken, the doubt vanished and he awoke from it and continued on chasing after Nagisa..

Another of my view on this would be the fact that Nagisa was the sheep.. When Tomoya drifted off away from what he was supposed to do, Nagisa brought him back to the right path..

Well.. We all have our opinions on how and what happens in Clannad.. :) My very short summary would be of that I have just said..
Thanks for the great explanation though :)

]]> By: Joe http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-2792 Joe Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:19:09 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-2792 My interpretation of the <i>"I was really worried you might be thinking that you should have never met me."</i> scene: At that instant, Nagisa has all the memories of everything up to when she died and Tomoya has all the memories up to when he died. But when going back in time, the travelers memories of future events quickly fades. Within hours of that re-meeting, Nagisa is once again psychologically 18 years old and Tomoya is psychologically 17. They have no memories of their time together, just a vague feeling that everything will be all right. And vague premonitions that guide them into making the right decisions when at the appropriate junctures. I base this conjecture on the many and various time-travel stories I have read. My interpretation of the “I was really worried you might be thinking that you should have never met me.” scene: At that instant, Nagisa has all the memories of everything up to when she died and Tomoya has all the memories up to when he died. But when going back in time, the travelers memories of future events quickly fades. Within hours of that re-meeting, Nagisa is once again psychologically 18 years old and Tomoya is psychologically 17. They have no memories of their time together, just a vague feeling that everything will be all right. And vague premonitions that guide them into making the right decisions when at the appropriate junctures.

I base this conjecture on the many and various time-travel stories I have read.

]]> By: Joe http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-2781 Joe Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:16:27 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-2781 <i> 4. For Nagisa and Tomoya to have dated, they must have re-established the theatre club.</i> Not necessarily. They had a whole year to meet each other; the theatre club is not a requirement. Without this item, your whole line of reasoning falls apart. You have to remember, CLANNAD is <b>more</b> than just an anime. It was first a visual novel; a computer game. If you have not played the game, and gone though all five routes, then you don't have the correct background to explain what happened (or was implied) in the anime. On one hand, we have a blogger who has seen only the anime and not played the game. On the other hand, we have a vast multitude of 2ch/Sankakucomplex posters who <b>have played the game multiple times</b>, exploring every possible route through the visual novel. Who do you expect we are going to believe. 4. For Nagisa and Tomoya to have dated, they must have re-established the theatre club.

Not necessarily. They had a whole year to meet each other; the theatre club is not a requirement.
Without this item, your whole line of reasoning falls apart.

You have to remember, CLANNAD is more than just an anime. It was first a visual novel; a computer game. If you have not played the game, and gone though all five routes, then you don’t have the correct background to explain what happened (or was implied) in the anime.

On one hand, we have a blogger who has seen only the anime and not played the game. On the other hand, we have a vast multitude of 2ch/Sankakucomplex posters who have played the game multiple times, exploring every possible route through the visual novel. Who do you expect we are going to believe.

]]> By: momomin http://tstorm.bwys.org/2009/03/clannad-after-story-17-22/comment-page-1/#comment-2197 momomin Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:37:25 +0000 http://tstorm.bwys.org/?p=942#comment-2197 I think the problem is that we haven't played the game. From what I've heard, in the game, you complete each heroine's route without interacting with the route of another heroine. This means, if you go Nagisa's route, you can't do the other's routes. Its obvious why you can't do Tomoyo and Kyou's route if you are on Nagisa's, since two-timing is not allowed, but you can't even do Fuko and Kotomi's either (like how it was in the anime). For example, one of the choices in the game leads to either Fuko's or Nagisa's route, if you choose Fuko then you will have little to no intereaction with Nagisa anymore throughout that play through. If you did not complete every heroine's route and collect all the light orbs, you get the bad ending for "After Story," get sent to the main menu, and have to start over. I find ironic that in order to save Nagisa, you HAVE to cheat on her but meh. I think the problem is that we haven’t played the game. From what I’ve heard, in the game, you complete each heroine’s route without interacting with the route of another heroine. This means, if you go Nagisa’s route, you can’t do the other’s routes. Its obvious why you can’t do Tomoyo and Kyou’s route if you are on Nagisa’s, since two-timing is not allowed, but you can’t even do Fuko and Kotomi’s either (like how it was in the anime). For example, one of the choices in the game leads to either Fuko’s or Nagisa’s route, if you choose Fuko then you will have little to no intereaction with Nagisa anymore throughout that play through. If you did not complete every heroine’s route and collect all the light orbs, you get the bad ending for “After Story,” get sent to the main menu, and have to start over. I find ironic that in order to save Nagisa, you HAVE to cheat on her but meh.

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